Affected Pinoys discuss Stand Your Ground Law

By Nadia Trinidad, ABS-CBN North America Bureau

July 31, 2013

REDWOOD CITY, California– When a grieving mother made a plea for states to take a closer look at self-defense laws, she told a room full of lawyers that her state’s Stand Your Ground law helped her son’s killer get away with murder.

“He wasn’t a suspect, he wasn’t a burglar, he was just minding his own business going home. But it was somebody else’s perception of him that changed everything, that caused his death,” Sybrina Fulton said.

Her son was Trayvon Martin. And Sybrina was speaking at the National Bar Association’s annual conference in Florida where earlier this month, neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman was acquitted when he
claimed to have shot the African-American teenager in self-defense.

“I think we have to change these laws so that people don’t get away with murder,” said Fulton.

Arizona is one of 22 states where individuals are given a right to use deadly force in self-defense, without the duty to retreat when faced with a perceived threat.

Most ‘kababayans’ we talked to said they were unaware of this law before the Zimmerman case got national attention. Now they’re weighing in on its significance.

“We have the right to protect ourselves but sometimes I think we have to be careful that we don’t just kill people on the pretext of we have to defend ourselves. We have to have a really good reason to, to start you know firing guns at people,” Tempe resident Vivien O’Conner said.

“I carry concealed weapons license permit and it is clearly stated that you do everything you can to get out of certain situation like what Zimmerman was in and he should just stay away and let the law take care of what happen. The outcome would have been different,” Gilbert resident Jayson Afuang said.

In Arizona, a person over 21 years old may legally carry a concealed firearm without a permit within the state.

“I don’t think that guns should just be given out to anybody. I think you should be able to know how to control it and then you can be responsible for it,” said entrepreneur Justin Sydiongco who operates his business in Chandler.

“I think it’s something we need to protect ourselves and our family. I think it would be a good law if people who carry guns are responsible,” said Phoenix resident Jasper Marcelo.
Back in Florida, lawmakers said it is unlikely the state’s Stand Your Ground law will be repealed.
But Sybrina Fulton could only hope that concerned organizations would keep up the pressure or at the very least, keep the conversation going.

You may contact Nadia Trinidad at nadia_trinidad@abs-cbn.com

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  • noz
    31 July 2013 at 9:27 pm - Reply

    the worst experience for parents is the lost of a child. you will not even wish her worst experience and nightmare to your worst enemy. children bury their parents, not the other way round. no amount of sympathy from closest friends can comfort a parent, her pain will never, ever go away for the rest of her life. her against on the stand your ground law is a way of easing her pain temporarily. there is no room for any debate of her lifetime grief, therefore, i would not even go there.

    to separate emotions and the stand your ground law is humane. the law has been in the book for centuries, adopted by 1/3 of the states. stand your ground law controversies have been debated, revised with different name. the case of TM vs GZ trials, the stand your ground law was not used, but GZ lawyers were on TV to tell the world will use the stand your ground law as defense, in case eric holder will file the case in the federal court. the opponents of not guilty verdict were not present in the courtroom during the trial, they know damn well the jury system can only rule on the evidences presented, and the based in the law instructions of the presiding judge, in order not to overturn the verdict, in case of challenge.

    the homeowner’s association gave the title to GZ as a neighborhood watch coordinator of a gated community, in light of escalating home robbery. the homeowner’s association, as responsible party, and to free them from further legal litigation for the death of TM paid a million dollar, an out of court settlement to the parents. this tragic case have reopen the wounds of racism of white and black america. the irony is GZ identify himself as non white hispanic, a democrat registered voter. the lawyers of TM midway of the trial, telling the world on TV, the case has nothing to do with race.

    • Delia
      2 August 2013 at 11:14 am - Reply

      @Noz , a little reminder maybe it will ease your mind , when posting here sometimes you need to act like your blind and disregard reply if they are not in compliance with the issue or in discussion and debate the issue. I do not know if they even read the post you posted or understand the content of what your saying.

      It will eliminate an over burden attack of criticisim , insult and race baiting. They dont even have the integirity and decency to use a human name or their own name here , they hide their faces on mask to discriminate and feel good about it .

      Don’t forget that they intentionally stirring the pot hoping for an explosion. I know that they have an ultimate goal here and so far it hasn’t worked the way that they want, so I am sure we are going to see more and more of it until they get the results they want.

      However, the issue of Trayvon and Zimmerman Is tragic no doubt , but its over and the law prevail. This entire “case” is a farce. One of the most devious and poisonous entities in the U.S.

      People try to sound intelligent here but they’ve only managed the opposite , they want to show they can stomp anyone who disagree with them and think they know it all .

      Anyway back at the segment .. A Law abiding Americans of all colors are terrified of criminals of all colors. This is the reason that Americans own so many firearms; that we have Stand Your Ground Laws; and that so many states permit citizens to carry concealed weapons.

      Parents of all colors need to teach their children to avoid physical conflict with others and avoid the appearance of being up to no good. Our federal government and media also
      need to stop promoting minority claims of racism. It isn’t a person’s skin color that gets him into trouble. It is his behavior, what he says, and his behavior send a message about
      him to others. He, and he alone, is responsible for the message he sends to others.

      I am almost positive i will get a whole garbage of criticism openning a can of worms . But, it is what it is.

      • what???
        2 August 2013 at 11:41 am - Reply

        … and yet Noz is the sole person who instigates the personal attacks, comments and posts opinions with lack of facts and relevance to the issue being discussed. Let alone, some of these articles are confusing themselves. Delia – you have one point and it’s directly pointed to Noz… I will not elaborate what is, you nailed it towards Noz. There are people here that are intelligent, indeed there are, but are they using it the right way???

        • noz
          3 August 2013 at 8:21 am - Reply

          DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, Wil, WHAT??? JUNKMEN ALWAYS TELL LIES TO SAY, “NOZ IS THE SOLE PERSON WHO INSTIGATES THE PERSONAL ATTACKS……etc.” WHO ARE YOU ALL TRYING TO FOOL THE READERS?, YOU ALL THINK THE READERS ARE WITHOUT ABILITIES TO SIZE UP POSTED ENTRYS?, ARE ALL LOUDLY LAUGHING AT YOU. THE MAJORITY INTELLIGENT READERS, ARE ALL YOU WISHED, YOU ALL ARE. THE REALITY IS, IF YOU ALL DON’T GET IT, YOU ALL WILL NEVER GET IT PERIOD.

          • what???
            5 August 2013 at 6:44 am -

            ALL LAUGHING AT YOU, AND THE LOUDEST IS YOU, LAUGHING AT YOURSELF !!!

        • noz
          6 August 2013 at 1:30 pm - Reply

          WHAT???, DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, ALWAYS THE COPYCAT CRIMINALS OF ALL TIME. DON’T YOU DARE TAKE MY ORIGINAL LAUGHING AT YOU, MORON, BOZO. ALL THE GENUIS PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ARE ALL OUT WITH THEIR NOISE OF HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU DUMDUM IMITATORS.

          • what???
            7 August 2013 at 6:26 am -

            HAHAHAHAHA, HA.. YOU ARE REALLY INSANE, ARE YOU THE ONLY PERSON ALLOWED TO SAY THE WORD LAUGHING AT YOU??? WHY DON’T YOU WANT TO LAUGH AT YOURSELF?? OH I SEE, YOU ARE AFRAID THAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT YOU ARE LOCO… BECAUSE YOU ARE LAUGHING AT YOURSELF…. LAUGH LAUGH, HAHAHAHAHA AT YOURSELF ! HAHA HA HA HA HA, HA , HA HA ! AHA !

        • noz
          17 August 2013 at 8:52 pm - Reply

          what??? AND THE REST OF YOUR TALKING SERPENT HEADS – DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, YOU ARE INDEED WITH A BRAIN MUCH SMALLER THAN A PEA. WHY?, YOU CAN’T EVEN COMPREHEND PLAGIARISM. SO HERE’S TO YOU BUNCH OF DINGBATS, COPYCAT FELONS, FROM THE SMART HUMANS, KINDERGARTENS INCLUDED, OF THE GLOBE ARE AT THEIR LOUDEST NON STOP HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU, EXPECTED OF DUNDERHEADS, BUT TO REPEAT WHAT OTHERS SAYS LIKE PARROTS, KEPT ON MAKING EXASPERATING NOISE. GO AHEAD CONTINUE YOUR TROUBLED POST, AS I SAID, I WIIL SEE TO IT, YOU ARE WASTED DIRECTLY TO THE LANDFILL.

          • what???
            19 August 2013 at 7:52 am -

            What was that Noz??? Waste of my time reading your posts filled with maggots and horse manure….Just like what’s inside your mind.

        • noz
          21 August 2013 at 11:52 pm - Reply

          what???, DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, I SAID, YOU ALL ARE THE GARBAGE THAT NEED TO BE THROWN IN THE LANDFILL. GO AHEAD STICK WITH YOUR SOCIOPATHIC PERSONAL ATTACK LIKE CRIMINALS, IF I DON’T FIND A LANDFILL TO TRASH YOU ALL, THEN I WILL RESORT TO FLUSH YOU ALL IN THE TOILET TO YOUR FINAL SEWER DESTINATIONS. THE SANITATION MEN ARE ALL TOGETHER HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA AT YOU.

          • what???
            22 August 2013 at 6:22 am -

            Ha ha ha ha ha.. paulit ulit ka.. ha ha ha ha.. wala ka ng masabi kasi…. ha ha ha ha ha ha bwahahahaha

        • noz
          3 October 2013 at 11:33 pm - Reply

          WHAT???, DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WIL, THESE ILLITERATE MULTIPLE SNAKEHEADS DESCRIBED THEMSELVES BEST TO BE BLOODSUCKERS, LAUGHABLE WITH ONE LINER OXYMORON VOMITS OF VENOM. HERE’S TO YOU ILLITERATE WITH THE ANTIDOTE TO NEGATE YOU, DROPPING YOU IN THE DEEPEST HOLE IN CHOPPED PIECES. THE GROUND DIGGERS ARE ALL LOUDLY WITH THEIR HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU.

      • noz
        3 August 2013 at 8:26 am - Reply

        Delia, thanks for your food for thought. at times fire must be finished off with fire. TY again.

        • Delia
          4 August 2013 at 2:36 pm - Reply

          @Noz , your most welcome , We need to stay focus on the topic . Unlike others jumping in here with quick criticism and name calling , that we supposed to take it and be timid about our views.

          Concealed carry laws and stand your ground laws have done a lot to help curtail violent crime since criminals now have to wonder which citizens are packing and which aren’t. They have to be real careful who they mess with and thus that uncertainty leads to less victimization of the general populace.

          I can’t find one good reason to give up the right to defend myself or my property because a young thug got killed doing what he was learning to do nor do I believe the gov’t has the right to tell a citizen they can’t defend themselves and must run for their life at the first sign of danger – danger which often comes suddenly and unannounced.

          Crimes against people are seldom if ever committed in front of a police officer so it is up to the victim to protect themselves.

          This gangbanger’s Trayvon entire life had something to do with his death. He was too stupid to realize that his way of life was the way to his death. I hate to see anyone die, but I save most of my sympathies for those who do good in the world, for those who try to accomplish something, for those who live decent lives. He’s dead, Zimmerman was legally found not guilty, the country is tired of the worn out “racist” claims of the race baiters.

          Martin was not innocent kid. He was 6’3″ tall. Hardly a kid. He was a drug user. He had liver damage from the combination of Arizona ice tea, skittles and Robitussin with codeine. He was also a pot head. He had been caught with stolen property and had been expelled several times from school . Go figure !!!!!!

          • jorge buesa
            4 August 2013 at 7:02 pm -

            Delia, your right the thing happen between zimmerman and T.M is a done deal, with zimmerman getting Acquited. Your right when you said you can’t find a good reason to give up the right to defend yourself or your property ? Zimmerman has rights to defend his life ! Delia this a sad case !

          • Wil
            4 August 2013 at 8:37 pm -

            There’s only two things wrong with that statement. While I would agree that a person has the right to defend his/her property. 1. What laws were TM breaking at the time of his death. 2. GZ was not defending any property. No matter how tall or how much a child weighs, child is a child. Lord for bid that one of your love ones meat the same fate. There isn’t any evidence TM was high nor is there any about Robitussin. Just for the record skittles are candy and Ice tea is not a drug. Even though the Courts has spoken, it was still wrong. One day GZ will get what is coming to him and that day only the good Lord above know.

  • what???
    1 August 2013 at 6:59 am - Reply

    What Noz.. pakisulat nga ulit ang sinabi mo, ang gulo ng context eh… the tragic case have what? reopen o reopened? GZ identify o identifies himself? Nakakaloka ka Noz ! Barok ka talaga mag english….

    • Wil
      1 August 2013 at 4:32 pm - Reply

      @What … don’t even try to talk sense to Noz. He don’t like Black Americans in the 1st place and the 2nd he has no idea what stand your ground is all about.

      • Deliadusional
        1 August 2013 at 4:49 pm - Reply

        I concur.

        • noz
          2 August 2013 at 8:07 am - Reply

          DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WILL, NOW JOINED BY ANOTHER TALKING HEAD NAMED WHAT???, CLEARLY CONFUSED, DEMENTED, ALZHEIMER’S ENTITY. THE NEW EMPTY HEAD CLUSTERING WITH THE REST OF THE BUNCH OF VICIOUS AD HOMINEM, Delia’s WORDS BEST DESCRIPTION OF IDIOTS. THIS BUCKETLOAD OF FREE LOADERS, RETARDS, ILLITERATES, WHO CANNOT WRITE, SPEAK, THE WORST CAN’T COMPREHEND ENGLISH. INFANTILE BRAINS FUNCTION BETTER THAN THESE EXTREMELY IDIOTS BRAIN-DEAD. YOUR NEIGHBORS DEFYING YOU AS NEIGHBOR, ALL ARE DISASSOCIATING WITH THEIR ROARING HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU. WHICH ONE, COMPRENDE OR NO COMPRENDE. OF COURSE NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPREDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE, NO COMPRENDE. MORONS LIKE THESE HEAD BLATHERERS ONLY KNOW ONE THING, LIVING OFF ON OTHER PEOPLE’S DOLLARS, THE WELFARE RECIPIENTS, BLOODSUCKERS, ALLOWED TO INVADE, DESTROY THE GOOD OLD USA.

          • what???
            2 August 2013 at 9:49 am -

            @NOZ – HAHAHAHA, HAHAHAHAHA. HA, HA, HA ,HA. HUH? WHAT DID YOU SAY? MAMUNDOK KA NA LANG TARZAN !

          • what???
            2 August 2013 at 9:57 am -

            YOU CAN TAKE YOUR OLD AMERICA TO WHEREVER YOU WANT TO TAKE.. I KNOW ONE PLACE… MARS !!!!! GO THERE AND BE WITH YOUR EARTHLINGS FRIENDS……

        • noz
          3 August 2013 at 7:52 am - Reply

          DELILUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, WHAT???, ALL YOU TALKING GARBAGE HEADS, YOUR JUNKS ARE DAMAGING THE GOOD OLD USA. YOU ALL ARE WITHOUT SHAMES, THE PARASITES OF INCOME TAXPAYERS, LIVING OFF ON OTHER PEOPLE’S DOLLARS ARE WHAT YOU ALL ARE. THE WIDESPREAD BLOODSUCKER LEECHES LIKE YOU ALL, IS THE NEW AMERICA YOU CLAIMED TO CALL?, SHOULD OUTRAGE RATIONAL AMERICANS. TRASHY TALKERS ALWAYS GET THROWN AWAY IN THE WASTELAND, THE PLACE WHERE ALL OF YOU BELONG. THE GARBAGE COLLECTORS OF THE NATION ARE ALL IN FULL FORCE WITH THEIR HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY HAPPY TO GET RID OF YOU ALL.

      • noz
        2 August 2013 at 8:55 am - Reply

        DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, WHAT???. LET SEE “HE DON’T LIKE BLACK AMERICANS……etc”. I SAY, WHAT?????????? KIND OF ENGLISH IS THAT, YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. THE GRADE SCHOOL STUDENTS WRITE CORRECT ENGLISH THAN YOU STUPID. YOU HAVE A PSYCHOPATHIC NERVE TO SAY “HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT STAND YOUR GROUND IS ALL ABOUT”, YOUR WORDS BOOMERANGING YOUR RETELL TO YOURSELF. THE INTELLIGENT CROWD ARE ALL HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU TOO. THEIR TAKE IS SIMPLY THIS DUM, DUM, LOON WiL CANNOT GRAMMATICALLY WRITE CORRECT ENGLISH, THEREFORE NEEDS TO BE STOMPED LIKE AN ANT TRYING HARD TO BITE, ONLY TO BE WASTED, HA, HA, HA ,HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU. LISTEN UP ASS..LE MULTIPLE TALKING HEADS, YOU WANT TO BE LAUGH AT??????????, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AGAIN, AND AGAIN, THEN BRING IT ON, ALL YOUR STUPENDOUS POSTS, I AM HERE TO SHOW THE WORLD, YOU ALL AMASS STUPID TROLLS ARE TROLLING ALONG THE BA THREADS. YOU BETTER WISH, I GET BUSY TRAVELING THE NATION TO CATCH ALL YOUR AD HOMINEM CONTENTS OF ILLITERACY. HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDOTS, IDIOTS, IDOTS, IDIOTS, IDOTS, IDIOTS, IDIOTS, IDOTS, COPYCAT CRIMINALS.

        • what???
          2 August 2013 at 9:50 am - Reply

          GET IT ! GET IT ! GET IT, GET IT ! GO GET IT BOOYYYYY !

          • noz
            3 August 2013 at 7:14 am -

            DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WiL, WHAT???, GOOD YOU ALL GOT IT – ALL YOUR IDIOCY.

  • what???
    1 August 2013 at 10:40 am - Reply

    Noz – look your writing and try understand meaning. Me can no understand what you said, you write like Tarzan and watch by monkeys and gorillas.

  • what???
    2 August 2013 at 9:52 am - Reply

    TO GET WHO?? WHODAT?? IKAW PALA SI SHAIDER !!! SIGAW KA NG…. SHAIDER !!!!

  • jorge buesa
    2 August 2013 at 2:59 pm - Reply

    I can’t believe, this women T.M. mother is saying that we have to change the laws, so that people don’t get away with murder? she should think that no one got a way with murder, G. Zimmerman was Acquitted, what you want hang a innocent man ? What you should say is please take care of your kids, so that this don’t happen again ! Forget please you sound like a broken record, why me ? Because blacks don’t know how to take care of there kids !

    • Wil
      3 August 2013 at 8:46 am - Reply

      @Jorge … what you just said was stupid. How do you know what Black families know how to do? You one of the people who believes Blacks just have children so others can use them as targets. Have you ever been in a Black home? Have you ever sat down and talk to Blacks? Have ever been minding your own business and a police officer stops you for no reason just to see if you have drugs or a gun on you? I bet you don’t even have children. No-one is stupid enough to bare you children. If you did have children then you will realize that you can be around your children 24/7/365. All one can do is teach their child right from wrong and pray for the best. 99% of all mass murders are white; yet I don’t see you saying anything against whites. 100% of all the schools shoots have been done by whites. Where is your outrage? Let’s face it … you just don’t like Blacks. Are you on of those good little Filipinos that keep quiet when they are wronged or they see wrong? Because if you are, you’re no better than the person that committed the wrong. Yes! your statement was racist. Are you?

      • jorge buesa
        3 August 2013 at 9:02 am - Reply

        Wil watch your big mouth, it sounds like you know jackshit about life in Ameica, I was Born here in America and you with the Big mouth that thinks, he know everything in life, what you born under a Rock or a cave in the Philippines ! So watch what you say Little Boy ! Don’t ever call anyone a racist if you don’t the meaning of it STUPID !

        • Wil
          3 August 2013 at 9:41 am - Reply

          Jorge, reading is fundamental. I guess you fail reading. I never said that you were a racist. I ASKED are you a racist. Did you not see the question mark. hmmmmm …. Yes, I know what that word means and I don’t use it lightly. It sounds like you got your feelings hurt. The truth will do that to a person. I know more than you think about life in the United States. I’ve been called a lot of things in my life; but little boy isn’t one of them. lol You never answered any of the questions I posed to you. hmmm … I wonder if you have selective reasoning?

          You can always tell the class of a person, by the language one uses. By you resorting to swearing, tells everyone that you have no class.

    • noz
      3 August 2013 at 12:08 pm - Reply

      jorge buesa……….i am telling you, these trolls are trolling around with their vicious assessments of individual’s writings, giving their convoluted, vile personal attacks, instead of giving intelligent, factual documented events of what the topic is all about. only illiterates think its about the writer’s personal inherent values. these trolls kept on trolling with their drunken talks, as if these trolls talks are credible, are too laughable.

      • Wil
        3 August 2013 at 12:13 pm - Reply

        Noz, you’re just plain stupid. You’re not making any sense. You sound like you’re on drugs. Are you?

        • noz
          3 August 2013 at 7:04 pm - Reply

          WiL, DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WHAT???. THE WORD STUPID YOU CAST IS BOOMERANGING BACK TO YOU AUTOMATICALLY. WHY? IT WON’T STICK WITH LITERATE PEOPLE, IT JUST KEEP ON LOOKING FOR THE STUPID ONE, AND THAT’S YOU ALL THE DUMB LUNATICS MULTIPLE TALKING HEADS ATTACHED TO A TRICKSTER SERPENT.

      • jorge buesa
        3 August 2013 at 3:39 pm - Reply

        Noz brother, I understand your point, you right, they try to be intelligent, by going all around telling people what they want to say to hurt your feelings? But they sound like a big fat troll with a big mouth! Thank you Noz for the nice comment !

        • Wil
          3 August 2013 at 4:46 pm - Reply

          Jorge & Noz , I guess illiterate people can understand one another. Since you two understand each other may be just may be you two can get one complete understandable notion out. We would love to understand what you two are trying to say. So please two discuss it and let us all know what we’re missing.

          • noz
            3 August 2013 at 7:45 pm -

            WiL, DELIALUSIONAL, BULOKNAISDA, AV, WHAT???, YOU AGAIN, SCAM ARTISTS WITH YOUR BULLCRAP?. LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT, LOOK AT YOUR WEAK, UNTRAINED ENGLISH WRITING. YOU ALL NEED TO ADMIT AT LEAST, THE VERY LEAST, AS FUNCTIONAL ILLITERATES. DISCUSS WHAT?, YOU CANNOT EVEN DO PRECISE ENGLISH WRITING ON TOPICS BEING WRANGLED, ALL YOU HAVE DONE AS USUAL ARE AD HOMINEM. THE BEST THING FOR YOU ALL, AS I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING – JUNKMEN LIKE YOU ALL, NEED TO BE THROWN IN THE LANDFILL, TO KEEP BA TRAIN OF THOUGHT LITTER FREE. EVERYTHING YOU ALL WROTE HAVE MADE ALL OF YOU, THE LAUGHINGSTOCKS. THE LITERATE FOLKS OF THE WORLD ARE ROLLING LIKE THUNDER WITH THEIR HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, AT YOU. GO AHEAD, KEEP ON YOUR DOPEY, DOZY REBUT, I WILL MAKE SURE, TO INCRIMINATE YOU ALL ON EVERYTHING YOU ALL SAY, TO MAKE YOU ALL THE PERMANENT LAUGHINGSTOCK BUTTS OF THE UNIVERSE. AGAIN, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, A T Y O U.

          • jorge buesa
            3 August 2013 at 9:45 pm -

            Wil, did anyone tell you that you sound like a loser, a person that don’t have any money’ a broke ass hole ! Your are little kid , how old are you ? 10 years old litter boy ! You like to make fun of people, and don’t stay with the main story ? What you are a girl or boy?

  • Wil
    4 August 2013 at 8:25 am - Reply

    Jorge, you’re so smart tell us all what Noz just wrote. There isn’t anyone here that understands what he wrote. You can’t tell a man’s name from a girl’s name. How sad. Most reasonable people realize that there’s always two sides to a story. The way you two illiterate junkies tell it, there’s only one side. While you two make unreasonable comments like “Blacks don’t know how to take care of their children”, the rest of us are discussing solutions to the problem on innocent people being killed for no reason. I don’t even know if you and your buddy Noz can comprehend what I just wrote. Quit showing your ignorance and join the rest of us in an open intelligent dialog/debate. I doubt it very seriously that neither you nor Noz has ever sat down with a Black person and had a reasonable discussion. Have you? Try it you just may learn something.

    • jorge buesa
      4 August 2013 at 10:09 am - Reply

      Why Wil, your Black, don’t say something if you don’t know who the person is little boy or you might get a kick in your “Ass” ! Stay with the main story, not other people life, if I tell you who I’m , you might run back to your home philippines ? So little boy stay with the story ! “Affected Pinoys discuss Stand Your Ground Law” Can you Read or do you want me to teach you how to read ? It’s not nice when you put your nose where it don’t belong ? Do you understand little boy ?

      • Wil
        4 August 2013 at 12:49 pm - Reply

        Jorge, stand your ground affects everyone not just Filipinos. An innocent person is an innocent person, no matter where they come from. No-one should be able to start a fight, loose the fight, shoot a person and then state : I was standing my ground.” I guess you haven’t figured that out yet. Once again you’ve proven my point. You have to resort to name calling, threats and cursing to communicate. I guess you must not be a very intelligent person. You mention little boy a lot. Are you into little boys? Your threats don’t bother me. I believe in a good, honest intelligent debate. So, do us all a favor, go back to school and learn how to communicate, then learn how to debate and then may be, just may be we’ll let you participate in the next discussion.

        • jorge buesa
          4 August 2013 at 3:06 pm - Reply

          Wil, do you know the word ACQUITED ? That is what Happen in this case OK ! Stay with the subject OK ! Thank You Little Boy !

        • jorge buesa
          4 August 2013 at 3:12 pm - Reply

          Hey, Wil who is us when you say do us all a favor, who is us all, only you makeing fun of other people, that’s why I call you a little Boy, that don’t make sense at all, with what you say little boy!

          • Wil
            4 August 2013 at 3:30 pm -

            Jorge … So let me get this straight in your mind.. If you (Jorge) was walking down the street minding your own business and a person saw you and thought that you were acting suspicious. In turn that person followed you. You noticed the person following you and you confronted that person. Asking that person why he/she was following you. A fight ensued and he/she pulled a gun and shot you; that person was in the right? Is that what you believe? What ever happened to your right to stand your ground?

  • Delia
    5 August 2013 at 5:44 am - Reply

    ( @Wil, say even though the Courts has spoken it was still wrong ) So Wil ,your saying the Court made wrong decision ? A large majority in the country saw T/M as a sucker punching, head slamming into concrete, wanna be gangster who sadly picked the wrong “creepy A$$ cracka” to assault and ended up dead in a case of self defense.

    Even ACLU told Holder and Obama to back off , it will cost them double jeopardy . This all a created distraction among many from the real issues facing this nation.

    Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz says the prosecutors in the George Zimmerman murder trial should be charged with “prosecutorial misconduct” for suggesting the defendant planned the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

    That is something no prosecutor should be allowed to get away with … to make up a story from whole cloth.

    Zimmerman is innocent and the government is using our money and their unfounded power to cause drama and trouble. Our laws are in place for a reason and if you were Zimmerman you would want these laws to protect you. Before you bad mouth Zimmerman or his family, put yourself in his shoes.

    How many times do you get smashed in the face and have your head crashed into cement before you think you are in imminent danger of great bodily harm or death?

    One final point: TM had friends tell him he needed to quit all the fighting he was doing and his mother kicked him out of the house for his violent tendencies. If GZ didn’t defend himself I have no doubt he would be the one lying on the slab.

    • jorge buesa
      5 August 2013 at 8:55 am - Reply

      Delia, well said in your comment, T.M wasn’t of a nice kid ! What a sad case, I think the mom was a little to late to do something about his bad actions ? He T.M might be alive today ?

    • Wil
      5 August 2013 at 2:48 pm - Reply

      Delia … Nice speech, but you still didn’t answer the question. What was TM doing wrong? As far as put myself in GZ’s shoes. If I were him and the Police dispatcher told me not to follow a person, I wouldn’t of. Didn’t TM have a right to defend himself? If someone was following you, what would you do? TM’s mother did not kick him out the house. His parents were divorced and he was visiting his father. I think that GZ was over charged and that is why he was found not guilty. I agree with the jury on that point, but a young man walking home minding his own business should of never ended up dead. The two hard facts are 1. If GZ had of did what he was instructed to do all this would of been mute and two the jury decided and it is over with.

      @Jorge … We all know where you’re coming from, so enough said to you. You’re just plain ignorant.

      Cracka, was term applied to people who cracked the whip on slaves. In them days there were both Black and White cracks. Just a bit of history on that term.

      • Delia
        5 August 2013 at 3:44 pm - Reply

        watch this video, which examines the FACTS of the death of the “doing nothing wrong” thug Trayvon.

        http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&a

        “You shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.”

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